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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« on: January 10, 2005, 08:42:24 pm »
I got my car back form the shop and they said my car was running lean. I have no clue y, My timing is dead on and i put new o2 sensor. Any ideas y it would run so lean (it can't even make it up a hill).
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Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2005, 10:08:27 pm »
BAD boost leak.

Horribly plugged fuel filter or kinked line, blocked injectors or other loss of fuel.

Mechanic is full of crap.  There is always this possibility when you are dealing with techs who don't understand/don't like our cars.

Anything that is not what they know is a POS no matter what.  Could be a beautiful car, but if its not what they know and can make time on, its a POS.

Whats your datalogger say?
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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2005, 11:03:20 pm »
don't have datalogger.
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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 11:09:54 pm »
when i am driving my car my boost kicks in good (it gets up to 10 psi) but when i shift and boost goes down it it gutless till the boost kicks in again. The only way the car runs good enough is when the boost kicks in. The car also has a VERY ROUGH IDLE. The Fuel pressure is good, How would i test the injectors.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2005, 12:09:12 am »
Very rough idle makes it sound more like a vacuum leak.  Check all the vacuum hose routines from the sticker on the underside of the hood to see if they're all there/solid from what you can tell.  Pressurizing the intake would be best if you can get your hands on a compressor.

What ecu are you using?
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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 08:52:06 am »
i have my 6262 ecu (caps fixed). The shop said they injected  propane through my intake and it ran perfectly. What could it be?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 08:09:23 pm »
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i have my 6262 ecu (caps fixed). The shop said they injected  propane through my intake and it ran perfectly. What could it be?


They injected propane into your intake? What for? That alone would make it run lean as hell (for the time that propane was being injected)

Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 09:04:21 pm »
Naw, we use that too, to richen mixtures up, and to see if a car that is a no-start or a crappy running, almost stalling POS is doing it because of fuel.

See, if you hit it with Propane(or brake cleans, or WD-40 etc) into the throttle body, and it runs, you have good ignition, good compression, good cam timing etc.  

If it doesn't fire with the propane, brake cleens etc, then it must be another problem.  Its just a very simple first test.

It will richen it up as you are adding fuel that is not being put in by the ECU.

I am tending to think that if your car is ok when on boost, it must be a sensor of some sort.  Not O2, that is not in use really when on boost.  I would have a look at TPS, MAF and your ECU temp sensor.

And just because your caps are good doesn't mean your ECU is good either.  

If you can find someone near you with a car the same as yours, that works fine, you could swap out parts like MAF, TPS, ECU and see.

Check wiring at the ECU temp sensor.  Its on the thermostat housing down low.  Not to be confused with the temp guage sender.

Get, beg, borrow etc a logger too.  It can tell you sensor readings and voltages.  TPS is supposed to be a certain voltage (0.48-0.52 volts) as are all the other sensors.  If one is wonky, you can start there.
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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 11:07:28 pm »
Sounds good, Hey john do u think u can take a look at my car. U seem to now what u r doing and i am getting broker by the minute. I'll come to where u r, dosen't matter to me i just need my car running good.
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Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 05:11:09 pm »
I can have a look at it on saturday, but its supposed to be friggin cold this weekend and I am outside.

There are other guys closer who know more than me too, but I am willing to look if you like.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2005, 07:01:40 pm »
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I can have a look at it on saturday, but its supposed to be friggin cold this weekend and I am outside.

There are other guys closer who know more than me too, but I am willing to look if you like.


but how many of them have over 5000 posts? :laugh:
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Offline DarrylDhaliwal

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2005, 12:39:11 am »
Ok so heres the scoop i am going to meet up with martin on friday to swap ecu & test my ecu to see if it is f%$ked up. If that dosen't work then i will take your offer on checking the beast
Thanx guys

Darryl
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Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2005, 06:20:32 pm »
Martins a smart guy, and with 2 cars, you should be able to make yours run.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2005, 01:27:41 am »
John, you're too kind. And you ain't so bad yourself.  :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2005, 07:56:11 pm »
ok guy u r both Very good
& I sure hope we can
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