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Offline Brent Hunter

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Exhaust manifolds.
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:03:59 pm »
Will a 2G exhaust manifold fit on a 1G? If so is thier a performance gain? Or am I better off porting my 1g manifold?
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Offline Brett Haviland

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 08:22:18 pm »
yes, yes and no.
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 05:48:07 am »
Playing with stock exhaust manifolds will prove to be a waste of time. Heres RTM racings page of exhaust manifold.

http://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/home.php?cat=358
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Offline Brett Haviland

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 07:36:16 am »
Playing with stock exhaust manifolds will prove to be a waste of time. Heres RTM racings page of exhaust manifold.

http://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/home.php?cat=358


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hahah  a stock 2G manifold can easily flow over 400 WHP.  Hell... i have even heard of people putting down over 400 WHP on the stock 1G manifold...
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 06:24:47 pm »
get a 2g stock manifold..     then wish it looked nicer every time you lift the hood.  lol. jk (but it seems to be the only parts that looks out of place in

most engine bays)

I dont doubt you can make 400whp with a stock manifold.   I know its been done. He isnt exactly maxing out his current manifold..

If I was going to upgrade, I wouldnt waste my time putting a stock looking (only slighty larger) manifold back on.

Go FP or the HAFE manifold if ya have the moneyzz!!    get some real flow.
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Offline Brent Hunter

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 12:11:56 am »
Ya I'm looking at the rtm tubular style
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Offline Greg Durban

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 07:00:09 am »
Tubulars are nice but I have heard of several of them having issues with cracking and leaking depending on what they are made of and the overall design. FP Cast manifolds do really well and for only a couple hundred bucks they're well worth it.
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Offline John Hartman

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 05:08:29 pm »
what Greg said.  They do make a bit more power, and they look great, but they crack and make your engine bay really hot.

A ported 2g manifold is great for most cars, and if you need more, then go ahead.  That said, I went from a well ported, coated 2g manifold to an FP cast one and it made more power and torque.  I wasn't expecting anything really but it was easily noticable.

The main disadvantage of the 1g manifold is that it cracks really easily. Most of them are junk.


You will have to minorly grind off a small part of the outside of the 2g manifold to fit the 1g car, but its easy and quick.
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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 12:37:06 pm »
Anyone ever heard exaust manifold cracks sounding like a bearing whine? I have a new water pump and timing components all oem, but I hear this bearing whine around 3000 rpm and can't pin point it. I had a crack in my manifold that I welded up and also surface ground the face for the head. Maybe the weld isn't holding up?
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 01:01:48 pm »
id have to hear it but off the top of my head no.
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 05:18:33 pm »
most likely alternator bearing. Exhaust leaks typically tick due to firing order   etc..     internet diagnosis isnt always easy.
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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 07:08:08 pm »
The Stethescope hears this sound all over the front case   :'( . Alternator was rebuilt, block has new bearings, balance shaft removed, and the oil pump now has straight cut gears so they didn't wear the case out. Its driving me nuts! And A/C belt is off. Thanks for confirming the crack in the manifold idea though. Have ordered another timing kit but cant confirm sound from idler bearing or tensioner bearing. FML My G/F hates my car cuz it sees more of me then she does.
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 07:26:39 pm »
story of my life.
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Offline Greg Durban

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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 08:07:43 pm »
story of my life.

I second that, of course it doesn't help having half a dozen of the things.
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Re: Exhaust manifolds.
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 11:20:25 pm »
Anyone ever heard exaust manifold cracks sounding like a bearing whine? I have a new water pump and timing components all oem, but I hear this bearing whine around 3000 rpm and can't pin point it. I had a crack in my manifold that I welded up and also surface ground the face for the head. Maybe the weld isn't holding up?

Maybe you should start a new thread, Matt.  Btw, straight cut gears in your oil pump will whine for sure.  However it should be constant with changing pitch following rpm...
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