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Offline Allen fong

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injector duty
« on: January 18, 2012, 11:07:58 pm »
Ok I am trying to help a friend install and tune his car with the 650 injectors i sold him,  ::) setup: 2g big16g, 3" no cat, fp exhaust mani, ceddy mod big maps. The injector duty cycle is at 78% at 21 psi 230 load and 5k rpm. does this seem right? i don't have any old logs of my own to go back over. By the looks of this he's gonna run outta room soon? fuel trim low is at 2% and wot is 11.5 AFR. We did have some knock at 140-160 load around 3500-4500 rpm- fixed with timing. We also just left all the cells after 100 load to 11.5 after we setup the injectors.

Any input guys....thanks 
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Offline Jason Harwood

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 07:24:44 am »
Is he running an OEM fuel pump?
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Re: injector duty
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 08:12:26 am »
Nope wal 255, rewired.
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SOLD:1998 Talon AWD E316G @ 25 psi, EVO 8 ECU with, HKS 272/272 cams, Walbro 255 + rewire, ACT 2100 with street disk, 3" exhaust no cat, Aeromotive FP regulator, EVO 3 Throttle Body, EVO 3 intake mani, 1000cc inj, GM 3bar map, PR FMIC, Aem Truboost, Aem Wideband, Devils Own Meth on progressive controller.

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 01:53:52 pm »
Is the fuel pressure set correctly?
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Offline Allen fong

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 03:11:04 pm »
its at 43.5 with vac hose off, well as close as i can tell the needle doesn't exactly stay in one spot.
1993 1G AWD

SOLD:1998 Talon AWD E316G @ 25 psi, EVO 8 ECU with, HKS 272/272 cams, Walbro 255 + rewire, ACT 2100 with street disk, 3" exhaust no cat, Aeromotive FP regulator, EVO 3 Throttle Body, EVO 3 intake mani, 1000cc inj, GM 3bar map, PR FMIC, Aem Truboost, Aem Wideband, Devils Own Meth on progressive controller.

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 08:31:03 am »
its at 43.5 with vac hose off, well as close as i can tell the needle doesn't exactly stay in one spot.

I don't remember what I had my FPR set for with my 650cc's and 255wally.
But I never ran a high injector duty cycle.

I had a 95ECU with jeff o chip and S-AFC for tuning.

My AFR's were 11.7-12.1  under WOT and 14.7 under idle and no boost.
88' MX6 Turbo - 14.2 @ 97.51MPH
94' MX6 V6 - 13.9 @ 96.7MPH
93' Civic Turbo - 14.7 @ 90MPH (bad tune)
90' Civic SI - Auto-X Machine
97' Eclipse GSX 13.6 @ 105MPH
96' Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo
97' Acura EL 14.5 @ 98MPH
'02 Lexus IS300 15.125 @ 91MPH
97' CR-V Winter Beater.
04' WRB WRX STI

Offline Allen fong

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 08:45:21 am »
Once this white shit goes away i will post some new logs might help.
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Re: injector duty
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 10:20:03 pm »
78% isn't that big a deal really.  11.5:1 af is close to ideal at higher rpm.

Work with the timing to get rid of the knock, and see if you can add a couple more psi boost.  If its well tuned and everything is working well, thats about it for a big 16g.  An Evo 16g will be able to get more out of it, but a big 16g is the least efficient of the commonly availiable 16g turbos.
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Re: injector duty
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 01:00:35 pm »
Hey john

if I'm am logging a +/- .1 -.5 A/FR from what the map is asking is that considered ok or should the injectors be rescaled? most of the time its close .1 or .2 but not often band on! i am going to log in open loop and see if that changes just to insure I am not in closed loop at any time.
1993 1G AWD

SOLD:1998 Talon AWD E316G @ 25 psi, EVO 8 ECU with, HKS 272/272 cams, Walbro 255 + rewire, ACT 2100 with street disk, 3" exhaust no cat, Aeromotive FP regulator, EVO 3 Throttle Body, EVO 3 intake mani, 1000cc inj, GM 3bar map, PR FMIC, Aem Truboost, Aem Wideband, Devils Own Meth on progressive controller.

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Re: injector duty
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 12:48:38 pm »
.5 is a bit off, but as long as your tune is good and on the safe side, and you are not tuned to the ragged edge on boost and timing it will be fine.
91 Eagle Talon TSi 5spd awd.  GT-12, TriFlow Cams, 850s, Tial, JIC, Jackal, sticky rubber.
86 Merkur XR4Ti 5spd, rwd, turbo, 91,381km.  Original paint, heated leather. intercooled, big VAM, Full 3" exhaust, Cossie sway bar, 16" tires.
06 Mazdaspeed6 6spd awd, DISI turbo, heated leather HIDs, Corksport, Cobb, Konig, Centric...
2018 VW Golf Alltrack turbo Tornado Red, 6mt, some free mods