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Offline Ryan O'Rourke

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« on: May 03, 2005, 02:26:40 pm »
Hey guys.  My buddy’s car just failed Aircare.  He has a ’97 Eagle Talon TSI AWD.  Here are the test results:

HC Hydrocarbons (0.5 pass) = Test Result 2.5078 (FAILED)
CO Carbon Monoxide (9.32 pass) = Test Result 88.8926 (FAILED)
NOx Oxides of Nitrogen (1.24 pass) = Test Result 0.2372 (PASSED)

The car failed HC and CO quite miserably.  What can be wrong?  And most importantly, how much does it cost to fix?


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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2005, 02:48:20 pm »
There has been a lot discussed already if you search for aircare.  And the aircare website has some good suggestions, and graphs to show what is going on in those ranges.

And is the car stock?
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Offline Ryan O'Rourke

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2005, 04:02:04 pm »
Quote from: "Martin Raska"
There has been a lot discussed already if you search for aircare.  And the aircare website has some good suggestions, and graphs to show what is going on in those ranges.

And is the car stock?



Car's stock if I'm not mistaken, and I looked at the aircare website for my buddy, couldn't find anything to horribly relevant and nothing that offered a suggested price. One suggested cause was a PVC valve, and if I'm not mistaken thats only carb vehicles. Also, being a talon, I figured it might be a bit more of a unique problem, or a problem that was common within talons, so it seemed logical to post here. My apologies for not searching previously, like I originally said, I'm just doing this as a favor for a friend

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2005, 05:01:07 pm »
Did your friend by any chance just decide to join this board?

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Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2005, 06:03:07 pm »
some basic maint will probably help it a great deal.

Clean throttle body, new plugs, check for vacuum/boost leaks, clean PCV system(yes injected engines have em too), set idle speed properly, scan for codes in the ECU, set timing to correct values.

Make sure valve timing is to spec.

Change air filter and clean MAF.

Do a compression test. No engine with a dead hole is going to run cleanly.

After you do that stuff, it will run better and get better mileage.  And if it doesn't pass, it will be alot closer.

Put it on a datalogger and monitor the O2 sensor voltages(both pre and post cat)  If these are lazy or are non-op, you will need to replace the one(or both) that are faulty.

Treat it with a good MCCC cleaning and decarbonization with misted water.

If all of this fails, replace the catalytic converter.

Yes I know its alot to do, but you need to do basics first and work up from it.  I work right beside 2 really good aircare specialists and I listen and ask tons of questions.

As for price, you can do tons of this yourself, and you will just have to ask around at good shops to see what they will charge for the rest.

PS, a fuel filter won't help you pass, but you could change it while you are in there anyways.

Oh and check that your EGR valve is working too.  Not related to the fail as your NOX is good on this test, but you may as well make sure its up to snuff while you are in there.

Good luck.
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Offline Matt Demick

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2005, 11:42:04 am »
clean TB, do a oil change, make sure filter is clean, change PCV, and check ut plugs are wires.
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Offline Ryan O'Rourke

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2005, 07:16:12 pm »
Thanks so much for all the tips and help guys, Ill pass it along to my buddy, much appreciated

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2005, 09:06:39 pm »
hers a universal tip for aircar....lower your car enough that they cant test you? i went to get tested the other day and because im lowered they just ran the idle test only and was on my way. im sure i woulda passed anyways but for anybody who WONT pass...just an idea

Offline Paul Chernoff

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2005, 09:44:45 pm »
Even if you have some really low profile rubber they wont test you cause they can screw up your rims if they do.

Offline Nathan Tralenberg

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2005, 09:52:09 pm »
so, how low does the car or profile of a tire have to be till it can't be tested??...dont expect rules from aircare,but just from experiences.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2005, 11:15:12 pm »
i dont know if its easier to pass the idle test over the other one, cuz wen i went there they said they have to do the idle test and that its a harder test to pass, but i knew it was gonna pass anyways since i know a guy who has a older aircare machine, but that was after changing the cat and oxygen sensor and adding some emission stuff by xtend (i put that stuff in first and put it on the machine and everything dropped by almost half, but that still wasnt enough) goodluck  :D
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 12:40:08 pm »
I don't know if this will help you, but my car also failed aircare this year for the first time.  I checked the aircare website and read about the possible causes of the high CO Emissions and decided to check my fuel filter since it was recently changed......guess what ?  Found that a small amout of gas was leaking from the connection, tightened it and now it has passed.  I figured I am just lucky there, or it was a fluke!  or......maybe cuz I ran the crap out of her before I retested!!!  HeeeeHawwwww!

Offline John Hartman

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2005, 05:26:19 pm »
good job on doing it yourself DeeDee :)

it could have been just variation in your car or the aircare machines.  just a bit of a leak at the filter is not going to cause any noticable CO changes.  If it was puking out, maybe but a small dribble, at the loads they put it under, it would be negligable.  You would still have all the gas you needed at the injectors.

I have to go thru tomorrow or the next day.

good luck and good wishes are much appreciated.
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Offline DeeDee Vickner

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2005, 12:06:30 am »
Thanx John, but I can't take the credit for that.....hubby did the wrench work, I am just the "foreman". :wink:

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2005, 05:20:48 pm »
hopefully his forewoman brings him beer ;)

PS, I passed, even better than last year.  No adjustments, I just warmed it up and ran thru.
91 Eagle Talon TSi 5spd awd.  GT-12, TriFlow Cams, 850s, Tial, JIC, Jackal, sticky rubber.
86 Merkur XR4Ti 5spd, rwd, turbo, 91,381km.  Original paint, heated leather. intercooled, big VAM, Full 3" exhaust, Cossie sway bar, 16" tires.
06 Mazdaspeed6 6spd awd, DISI turbo, heated leather HIDs, Corksport, Cobb, Konig, Centric...
2018 VW Golf Alltrack turbo Tornado Red, 6mt, some free mods