Update on the project got pix :P

[Artem Gridnev]

pics of the both cars in the shop

got the imagestation thing on

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2129961949

tell me if it works/what u think

[Artem Goloubov]

RED X OF DEATH :laugh:

[Artem Gridnev]

exceeded the limit of transfered bytes, going to be back to normal soon

[Artem Goloubov]

:shock: That's alot of work ahead of you, you really must of like that car.

Good luck

[Robin Toor]

Don't use geocities, the bandwith limit is very small. Use imagestation.

[Dilvinder Grewal]

k the green car looks fixable, but the silver one..is that one actually fixable :shock:

[Artem Goloubov]

This is how it goes:

'98 Eclipse GS Bare Bone shell  - $2000 from Kuramaya
'97 Eclipse GS Crunched but complete - $2000 from Copar

Building an Eclipse from ground up yourself.............priceless.


Personally I think you got way too much work ahead of you, and all that for a GS?

[Matt Demick]

yea i still see red X's

[Artem Gridnev]

ok i am doing imagestation right now

i got the parts car for 3800 after all tax bullshit and towing taxation

i like working on the car and actually need to take pick again

after i took those picks i did 3 hours of work

then did 4 more today


so far i took vacum system out, hood/lights/the other fender/the other door/ac system out / and got almost all wiring around the motor off

motor will come out next time i go work on it cause i basically got it all

[Robin Toor]

Wouldn't fixing up the smashed GS be cheaper and easier than moving ALL the parts off the smashed GS onto a stripped GS frame? Doesn't seem to make sense to me.

If you fix up the smashed GS you have to replace maybe a windshield, fenders, and some body work. Isn't that easier than transfering EVERYTHING over to a stripped frame?

[Mike Schmid]

I think the bigger question is why a GS in the first place?   :wink:

There's the title thing.  A car with a scrap title that can never be insured again is nothing more than a heap of spare parts anyways.  You need an insurable chassis.  Plus a car that's been in a fairly major crunch will have a body that's basically screwed no matter how much work you do because of the crumple zones.  These cars are just made of tin.  It'd be alot like stomping on a beer can then trying to restore it to mint condition.  

If is was I that was building a DSM from the frame up I would do some things no one else gets to do, like seam weld the whole body structure and install a very well integrated roll cage and chassis reinforcements.

[Artem Gridnev]

i am not that advanced mike i dont even know what seem weld means

toor what u cant see on the picks is the amount of smashed parts on the silver car

it is rolled and also was wet inside for a long time

till i pulled up the carpets and let it dry it smelled like sewer.

the driver side roof support is done in (sits about 4 inches lower then supossed too)

passenger door/and the bottom step are the worst

u cant see it that well because i hammered it down to get the door openning/clossing

but its was so bad that i used a big crow bar to get the seat out.and it also had a front hit


plus i dont liek the color

my frame is painted and will have many mods done to it on the way up.

p.s. why gs? because i bought the frame about 2 days before i figured out i cant drop the 4g63t in it so then i am like F%$#. still my baby so i make it fast

[Mike Schmid]

Seam welding is basically where you weld all the seams in the sheetmetal.

The factory just uses occasional spot welds which can allow some flex and deformation under load.  You work your way around the car making little 1" stitches on all the seams to strengthen then up.  Now, there might be a little more to it, like you might need a frame jig to hold the car square, but that's the basics of it.  You can't just start at one spot and weld all the way around because you'll twist the car up like a pretzel as the heat warps the thin sheetmetal.  Hence doing a little bit at a time and moving from corner to opposite corner or something.  Supposedly it can really stiffen up a chassis, epecially if you welded in some well placed support along with it.

[Kimyee Lai]

As long as you alternate weld spots with short stiches, eg 1" long, and you jump around the car, eg driver's front to passenger rear etc, it should be okay.  I don't think a frame jig will do much good if you actually do warp it.  Once you release the jig the frame will pop into whatever warped shape your warped it to .  Also the less heat input the better...i.e. TIG welding, or pulsed mig welding.

It is also a chance to lighten the car in places that don't add much structural rigidity, by replacing it with well placed tube reinforcements.  

I guess it all depends on what you want to do with the car.  If you want to make it an all out race car, then go for all the things you could do on the frame while it's apart.  If it's going to be a show car, why bother?  Kind of hard to showoff your seam welds at a carshow.

[Artem Goloubov]

Last time I've heard Artem wanted to comete with Toor for the Bling King spot, so seam weldig is out of question.