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Offline Matt Vangaalen

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Never Seize
« on: September 11, 2012, 02:23:27 pm »
I hate when axel's seize in the hub assembly. Why don't people use never seize?
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Offline John Hartman

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 07:42:16 pm »
cause they are either dumb, ignorant or lazy.

ignorant, well, thats not thier fault.

But some times even if you do put on some sort of preventative lube, it will STILL sieze up if its not take apart once in a 20 year stretch.

PS, you'd have loved to have done Kevin Yue's rear wheel bearings...  :)
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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 08:14:00 pm »
My rear passenger was seized on the race talon so I cut off the spindle then tried drilling it out on a lathe, long story short my friends oxy and acetylene finished the job. I ended up leaving the axels in the hubs and dropped the tranny anyways. Tomorrow will be fun putting up the new tranny with axels in the way.
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 10:10:07 pm »
I suggest you get it dealt with now.  It will be easier to do now rather than later on.  Plus, if something needs doing later, you will be really dreading having to fight with it then. 

Heat, pressure, mega hammer, penetrating oil etc.

Put the nut backwards on the threads of the axle, down to so that the threads are just lower than the nut.  Then wail away.  If you heat the spindle, you may damage the bearing, but you may have to anyways.

If you can find a bearing puller/press made for removing wheel bearings on the car, you may be able to press it out.  Then again, you may have to just get new spindles and axles.  I came close on a customers car.

I actually fractured the 1" diameter tool steel Snap-on puller I was using!!  I left it sit with pressure on it all thru lunch and it FINALLY let go, but under tension I could see an axial crack along the threaded shaft of the tool.  I would not have believed it.  Then again, I was using a 3/4" air impact on it :)  That thing is like a 40mm Bofors.  BUM!BUM!BUM!BUM!  Shakes the whole body when using.  If you don't have access to that, again, I suggest just getting some spindles and axles.
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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 08:32:34 am »
Wondering the reason axels seize? Could it be from the wheel bearings over heating? The car has 160k on it should I just replace them?
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 02:39:49 pm »
Finally got the axles out >: some people's kids. Time to throw up the tranny.
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 07:23:18 pm »
Good job! ;D When u going to hit the strip again?
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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 08:12:31 pm »
Common 2G problem, not sure why. 
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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 09:06:04 pm »
Not till next year Paul I'm workin weekend for the rest of the year, oh well time to make a monster out of my white devil.
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 03:10:26 pm »
Thanks for the wisdom John! After trying to easy out the bell housing bolt and then having to drill and tap out the easy out, I finally got the tranny up 1st try (new record for me).  I bet it would have been hell to try that with axles in the way.
6 bolt short block (.02 over evo9 pistons). Straight cut oil pump gears. Ported 2g head and manifolds, GSC S1 cams(adjustable gears), undercut SS valves, bronze guides, Manley springs. Fp's Big T28, stock 02 into 2.5 downpipe, 3" from the flex section back. Apex'i N1 muffler. ETS fmic. 1g bov. 1g throttle body. 255lph pump. 660cc injectors. AFPR. SD on Link V3. 345 ft lbs 345 hp.

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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 03:45:07 pm »
Once upon a time I had a mx6 axle stuck in a hub, the car had 60k on it only.

I took it to a machine shop to press it out - the hub seperated and the axle wouldnt budge.

Everyone should always grease up those splines.
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Re: Never Seize
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2012, 09:29:55 pm »
i think its because they done use much, if any lube/grease/anti-sieze from the factory.  most of the ones that sieze have never been taken apart.  One they are apart, and someone adds grease or anti-sieze, they seem to come apart no problem after that.   I have met my fair share of 2g axles/knuckles that would not separate, even with the hub red hot, and the axle being pressed on by a 10 ton press at the same time.... didnt budge.  Was much easier to go to pick a part and grab a complete used hub/spindle/outter axle/cv.

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