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Offline Brent Hunter

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Intake manifolds.
« on: February 11, 2012, 11:17:11 pm »
Will a 2g intake manifold fit my 1g? If so is it a direct bolt on? If not what cheapie rush manifolds will help with a bit of hp?
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 11:20:35 pm »
Cheapish**
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 12:01:00 am »
No. The runners are smaller on the 2g.

Port your 1g manifold.

Do some searches on the mods that you will need to support a large plenum short runner type (expensive) intake manifold.

When you are finally ready, search for someone selling one used for 1/2 the price or less.
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 01:10:01 pm »
love my stock ported manifold.

when playing with engine components its good to invest in tuning equipment/ a tuner shop, to make sure your tune stays current with any mods you

decide to do.  It could take as little as an hour to determine how the car is running and make any necessary adjustments (or just recommend them to

you). 

The only reason I say this is every change to my car that I have made to my car has resulted in my car being hooked up to the racing greed dyno like

a hospital I.V. for the last couple years.    Im confident, thats the only reason my engine is still alive.

The stock intake can be ported quite significantly  ;)
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 03:47:26 pm »
What kind opposer increase you get?
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Offline Zach Holt

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 05:58:47 pm »
That or buy a jmfab drag 
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 07:09:26 pm »
Its hard to say what kind of increase I got from the ported intake, because I also got a larger throttle body to go with it.
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 10:33:10 pm »
Where do I get a bigger throttle body?
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 11:42:11 pm »
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Offline John Hartman

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 09:53:09 am »
a stock 1g intake manifold is good for at least an honest 400 wheel hp on a conservative Mustang dyno.  I say at least because I know of cars that have made more on stock manifolds, but not sure when they were ported.

With correct porting a stock 1g manifold is good to 500 honest wheel hp on that same heartbreaker dyno.

So until you are somewhere close to that, I suggest you stick with the free manifold you have on the car.  You will loose money, torque and power by swapping on any other manifold on a stock or stockish car and you will have to modify other parts to make it fit.
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 12:04:45 pm »
500+awhp through a stock TB too.
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 12:47:56 pm »
+1 for keeping the TB/mani stock. 

I am using the bored 1g TB with the half-shaft mod.   I decided to get the added flow increase since I was going to replace the TB gaskets and clean it up anyway.  Very daily driver friendly, nice throttle response.

Although if you are in a search for the best bang for your buck mods I would skip the modded TB and put the money you save elsewhere.   

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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2012, 06:46:55 pm »
I was fortunate enough to get my hands on a stock ported intake manifold. And a bored 1g tb with halfshaft.
Even if its not completely necessary, I like the fact that my whole intake portion of my motor is modified in some way.
I have 3inch diameter charge pipes, and it seemed silly to sub them out for smaller ones..  So the next step for me was to open up the tb and intake.
It definitely flows more and you feel it.   The large charge tubes add a bit of lag, but Ive managed to get good enough tuning done to compensate it seems.   The car has a remarkable difference in pickup while spooling.  I think the ultimate lag factor in aftermarket manifolds is the short runner lengths. The stock intake offers a decent plenum size with long runners. Once ported, the plenum is huge and the runners are somewhat unaffected. The beginning of the dividers between the runners are cut back significantly, yet the runners still loop down and into the head. Hence the amazing flow, and the ability to retain some mid-range.
Love it.
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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2012, 08:45:14 pm »
2.5" ic pipes will make plenty of power.  Dan's car made 666whp with a 2.75" upper pipe. 

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Re: Intake manifolds.
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 05:48:01 am »
good test!
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